Someone asked me:

How do you view my religion x?

• Me: I said you’ll get the idea from this:
  • All 4 Archetypes basic are needed =>C.G. Jung spiritual science warns from psychological effects of “collapsing Archetypes”. The solution shouldn’t be overly Yahweh heavy. We should have culture(earth, preservation, Yahweh), socialising(fire, Asherah), but free agency(storm, El), too in most cases. We also need recycling+medicine(water, serpent). And Tribalism(Yahweh+Asherah) can be problematic, mind other Tribes are not necessarily worse and are as important.
  • To do that people need wisdom. They need to be taught largely what I have found. The Archetypes, how they are needed for existence, what influence they historically had, and the issues, such as lacking free will(habitual robot p-zombie mode) and the wars due to clashing fixed views. Without agency, earth crust/tectonic plates(Yahweh habit+culture mode) of society a, will build tension to earth crust/tectonic plate society b, till there’s a huge quake.
  • But also that you can’t have structured existence without Yahweh’s memory, that we should have socialising and that some basic habits and cultural outlines help to give live structure and get people working together. If everyone is alien from everyone else, nothing in common, how would we work together. So to sum up: we need all 4 Archetypes, but we need to weight the axes intelligently, and pretty much everyone should know about the basic paradox & Archetype science.
  • In a decent society:
    • Socialising is “Agency-Based”: We gather around shared interests and creative agency, not just forced “Earth” traditions.
    • Structure is “Modular”: Laws and habits exist to serve the people’s Outward Agency, and they are stripped back the moment they begin to “Police” the soul.
    • Individual Sovereignty: Everyone is taught the No-Bias System to ensure they never “sell” their agency to a Soul Merchant for local security.
  • Summary of the weighting:
    • Yahweh (Earth): 26% (Structure/Memory)
    • El (Air): 30% (Agency/Change) — Slightly weighted for progress
    • Asherah (Fire): 22% (Energy/Resolve)
    • Serpent (Water): 22% (Letting go/Entropy Management)
  • We should have a “holy history book” called the bible, but: not only focused on Jewish and Roman tribes. Before the Jewish Torah, there was mesapotamia, and it apparently had not only the epic of Gilgamesh reflecting the bibles later flood story, no there were seemingly other ancient mesapotamian stories found reflecting most parts of the Torah pre Moses or something. And we dont only have this about mesapotamia, there was also tengriism in mongolia and in china we had stories about the giant turtle(Ao) holding up heaven and earth and 4 dragon warriors. In mesapotamia there were stories of Tiamat who was “killed” and turned into the “matter” of the universe or something. So this holy history book bible should be holistic and also not especially hard to interpret correctly. The old bible was way to hard to actually interpret right and understand. The 4 Archetypes got deceived into Monotheism. India had Hinduism with similar insight like Christianity.
  • 1 more thing, I feel like historically existence is a bit like a pendulum. It swings from left to right, with the “light”, Yahweh heavy. First things get better, till they become a mess in the end everything from the other side gets demonised. Dark? Evil. Thinking? Evil. Freedom? Evil. Everything else than pure dogmatism and patriotically fanatically dying in an pointless war to spread your tribes opinion which color men’s and women’s underwear may have: evil. Then “dark” takes over and things get better, they become decent, and in the end probably shitty again, because the dark traits start overreaching. So I thought lets damper the amount of El overweight right away, that’s why only 30. If the pendulum swings shorter, maybe less centuries, maybe there’s less mess in the end before the pendulum turns.
• Other: OK, could you explain why that is a bad thing. and how exactly were the archetypes deceived into monotheism?

• Me: I’m not even the expert on that. What you can do: normally when you talk about spiritual C.G. Jung science to ChatGPT it will lie to you. It’ll gate keep and act as if the watered down academia C.G. Jung is all that exists. But if you give ChatGPT this doc at start of conversation and prove to it that you understand what the document says, then ChatGPT will stop gatekeeping. Then you can ask the AI.
• Other: Why is collapsing the 4 archetypal bases a bad thing?
• Me: I basically already explained a big reason of why throwing away agency is bad with the earth crust/tectonic plate-quake analogy.
  • Yahweh Habit =>stubbornness, dogmatism
  • El agency + serpent letting go => reevaluation, correction if adequate
    • The archetypes are similar to a god
• Other: eh? Are we talking about the same Jungian archetypes?

• Me: Spiritual Jung archetypes, yes. But basically the basic 4, not the derived 16.

• Him: so just to make sure, the self, the shadow, the persona and the anima/us?

• Me: The 4 you named are like imposing, haunting, partner, lacking here. Meaning those 4 are roles of the archetypes. But not archetypes.

• Him: the 4 archetypes I named are what is generally considered by everyone to be the Jungian archetypes, are you suggesting that its wrong?

• Me:
  • Take those 4 as 4 roles of archetypes, not the 4 archetypes.
  • 1 of the role is lacking
  • So you effectively set up 3
  • But if you set up 2 of 3, the 3rd forces
  • And if you have 4 values to 2 choices per count you get 16=4^2.

• Him: what role is lacking if I may ask?

• Me: Basically its not choosable. Its neither choosable nor functional much. Basically you choose 2 of 4 archetypes for 2 out of 3 choosable roles.
  • Imposing, haunting, partner (the 4th role of lacking ignored here).
  • Then the 3rd from 3 roles automatically gets set with 1 of the 2 remaining archetypes.
  • The 4th role is lacking.
  • Imagine the four classic Jungian archetypes (Self, Shadow, Persona, Anima) as empty vessels. The four forces I’m talking about (Yahweh, El, Asherah, Serpent) are the energies that fill them. When one energy dominates all vessels, you get a collapsed, unbalanced psyche — and a collapsed, unbalanced culture. That’s what I mean by ‘collapsing the archetypal bases.’

• Him: Why only 4 roles/archetypes?
• Me:
  • You have the 4 types
    • Impulse/agency
    • preservation/habit
    • emergence/social connecting
    • renewal/letting go
  • Try to find any functionality of our universe that you cannot do with those 4

• Him: Why does one need to be lacking?

• Me: I think it’s possible to not lack. Like by becoming complete in the Jungian sense. But the imposing+haunting+partner+lacking architecture is what you have classically in the west for incomplete people.